Apognophos.
Yes I am a ware of all of that.
It doesn't look good for any of us.
The evidence for God has been muddied and put into doubt.
The alternative is not pleasant to me.
I am aware that I probalby just can't handle the truth.
James Brown
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What christians don't want to admit
by opusdei1972 inwhen i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.
so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.
but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.
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Come with me, back to the 1980s--you know want to.
by FlyingHighNow ini don't know about ya'll, but i did not appreciate the 1980s enough.
i was too busy lamenting how different they were from the 1960s and 1970s to bask in and appreciate how wonderful they were.. this is 80s music, especially new wave music, and 80s fashion and culture appreciation thread.
what did you love about the 80s?
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James Brown
I was in 28-38 in the 80's.
They were good times.
I was young and fit.
Now I am old and fit.
Having good times.
Every day above ground is a good one.
And these are the good old days.
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What christians don't want to admit
by opusdei1972 inwhen i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.
so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.
but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.
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James Brown: i was joking " Athiesam is a NON PROPHET" organisation not non proffit.
I thought you couldn't spell
or had one of those dumb/smart phones,
where you cant type because your finger is too big.
I see your point.
But if atheism is true they are phrophets.
They prophecy no happy ending.
Unless eternal nothingness and sleep makes you happy.
I prefer life.
which Is irrelevant to reality.
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What christians don't want to admit
by opusdei1972 inwhen i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.
so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.
but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.
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opuside.
I take the dating of the earth with a grain of salt.
Just like religion.
It is not really science.
It can't be proven or falsified.
It is psuedo science.
It could be true.
It is like God there is no way to prove it.
If there is no God and the bible is not true.
There is not much reason not to believe it.
But still its only a theory.
Not a law.
It is like the theory of evolution.
Not the law of evlution.
gravity is a law not a theory.
It is demonstratable and falsifiable.
If the earth is old.
Then we are screwed.
So I cant and don't want to embrace that theory.
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What christians don't want to admit
by opusdei1972 inwhen i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.
so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.
but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.
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Atheisam is a non prophet organisation
Like everything else you have to take it on a case by case basis.
Follow the money.
If they are publishing books and running web pages I would suspec they are making a prohet.
If they are commenting on a board like this trying to work out their own thinking/salvatiion.
I can believe it is non prophet.
People like Dawkins, Hawking, Hitchens, Harris, the people educating the future atheist of the world
are all in it for the money, with an obvious money trail.
People on this board ex Jw's tend to be followers.
not leaders.
The leaders make the money.
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Theists, why does God allow suffering..
by The Quiet One in..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
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James Brown
The problem of suffering and evil is a tough one.
It causes some to loose their faith, like Bert Ehrman.
It very much bothers me.
I try to live in my little world and isolate myself from it.
I buy lottery tickets and if I ever win,
I will donate a substantial amount to providing humanely for animals.
In fact I think that would become my lifes mission.
But with out the funds all i can do is rescue one dog at a time.
Another thing I can do.
I eat less meat.
I grew up and lived 62 years as a meat eater.
But for the past few months I eat less and less meat.
As a rule I do not eat any meat before dinner.
I eat grains and vegetalbles until then.
Then for dinner I have some meat.
Having done that for several months there are days I can go without eating meat.
Which to me is a big deal. It is a sacrafice.
But you cant help others without helping yourself.
And eating less meat as you get older is a good thing
for blood pressure, cholesterol and diabetes.
All chornic killlers in old age.
Also, I took up playing soccer when I retired at 60.
And I found the fittest soccer player I have ever met was a vegetarrain.
That was an inspriation to see a 50 year old man with a 6 pack running circles around
20 year olds.
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Watchtower encouraging members to go and preach in Israel
by wannaexit inan odd letter was read at last nights' meeting.
it was in regards to a special campaign for next year arranged by the governing body to go and preach in israel.
the call is going out to anybody that speaks hebrew and english.
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I make an observation between Christians and the watchtower.
If a Chiristian had the desire or was encouraged to have the desire to do some sort of evangelical work.
The Church, the flock support the worker.
I was looking at books yesterday in a thrift store and encountered a lady working in the book section.
I asked her does she work here. She said she volunteers.
It was a charity book store that gave to pregnant women.
I asked how do you support yourself so you can volunteer to work for free.
She said she had her own ministry.
She said her ministry was running a halfway house and that provided for her needs.
That seems more biblcal Christain and ethical to me than the way the watchtower runs its printing/real estate business.
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What christians don't want to admit
by opusdei1972 inwhen i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.
so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.
but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.
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If there is scientific proof that Adam was not the first man,
I guess we are all screwed.
I am enjoying myself either way.
I know there is an argument, I just don't totally buy it at this time.
Maybe never.
I have no incentive to buy it.
If there is no god.
Then I have no problem believing the earth is old.
If there is a God and the bible can be argued true,
Then I have trouble believing an old earth.
I have read a lot of things discrediting the bible.
But then I do further research and find things discrediting those discrediting the bible.
Like Terry says each person believes what he wants to believe.
At some point you have to make your mind up to believe in God and the bible or not to believe in it.
Or maybe you can go through life undecided
or unknowing.
If your unknowing or unable to know that is one deffinition of an agnostic.
A lot of people like to belong to a herd and like to label themselves and others.
I don't suffer from that need very much.
I like to observe and comment.
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What christians don't want to admit
by opusdei1972 inwhen i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.
so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.
but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.
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If El is Jehovah that jibes with the bible, they talk about a council of Gods in genesis and Jehoavah el is the
top God the creator.
Everyone who decended from Adam and Eve, everyone in my thinking at this time would have known of
El or Yahwah/Jehovah.
If everything does not go back to Adam and Eves sin. Then Jesus and the ransome does not make sense, I agree.
That is why.
If one believes in the bible it is necessary to believe in a young earth.
The bible says you have to study these things daily.
I can see that.
In this day and age you have to know what you believe because some one is always ready to knowingly
or unknowinly snatch it from you.
And when you know longer believe in the bible Adam and Eve, Jesus as God and ransome,
You have nothing.
You have freedom
Freedom to be alone and lost.
How else can you describe an atheist but lost.
You live, you die thats it.
Sounds like lost to me.
I live, I die, I can do whatever I want, just like an atheist.
I even know everything that an atheist knows.
I have all their books and access to all their speeches and articles on the internet.
But in the end I keep living in a life even better than this one.
And in the end the atheist is lost.
I spent a carerr in law, I was a court reporter and a deputy sheriff.
I have witnessed many tirals civil and criminal.
Very seldom are things black and white.
That is why there is often a jury.
And a jury decides things often right at the fulcrum.
51% vs 49%.
At this time I will still go with God, Jesus and the bible.
I cant see any advantage to do away with them.
And I do admit if there was no Adam and Eve we are lost.
That is the whole basis and argument of the young earthers.
So in that I take exception with the topic sentence.
People who study the bible know that the earth must be young for it to work.
Christians to me are people who believe and follow Jesus.
it has nothing to do with what country you were born in what your parents believed.
My mother was a Jehovahs witness that is not a Christian religion.
I am a Christian because I believe and follow Jesus.
Just because people go to war and call themselves Christians.
does not make them Christians.
I got to go
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It's a one-word question.
by new hope and happiness in" dinosaurs" .
i mean why didn't the bible cover it?.
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I believe I have posted links above giving arguments about giants from both
a young earth and an evolutionary perspective.
I think they might both be from an evolutionary perspective.
I can not find any evidence that Johnathan Gray is a young earther
I'm not sure he is even a christian.
Michael cremo is not a christian or a young earther.
If you don't accept them that is fine.
Personally I don't care. I am like you retired with lots of time on my hands.
I don't see it making a difference in my life one way or the other.